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Reader Case Examine: Empty Nest in Denver, Transferring to The Dominican Republic?

Leigh is a diabetes educator residing in Denver, CO. Her kids are on the cusp of maturity and he or she’s wanting round her soon-to-be empty nest, contemplating her choices. She’d prefer to downsize to a smaller dwelling in her identical Denver neighborhood and is concerned with exploring the opportunity of shopping for a second dwelling in The Dominican Republic. Leigh needs to proceed her work, a ardour she feels known as to, however would take pleasure in lowering her hours. Let’s assist Leigh determine this subsequent chapter of her life!

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With that I’ll let Leigh, at this time’s Case Examine topic, take it from right here!

Leigh’s Story

Leigh portrait 2022, drawn by a affected person. I like working with children!

Hello Frugalwoods, I’m Leigh and I’m a 49-year-old diabetes educator residing in Denver, CO. I’ve been amicably divorced since 2019, when my companion and I made a decision that our child-raising was largely completed and we have been coming to a pure finish of our marriage. Our children are 21 and 19, and are my greatest pleasure and precedence in life. Getting them launched effectively in life with assist, love, and as a lot steerage as doable, has been my primary precedence for a few years. Once we divorced, I purchased my companion out of his fairness in our dwelling so I may hold the household dwelling. It’s the one dwelling my children have recognized since they have been 6 and 4.

It’s been an amazing state of affairs for the previous few years, as my children have been dwelling greater than I ever anticipated (on account of COVID and distant studying being in impact for every of them at totally different occasions). I’ve additionally really loved having our dwelling be an area for them to relaxation and loosen up throughout their faculty summers and breaks. My oldest graduated with their BA a couple of months in the past, and is presently residing at dwelling and making use of for grad college to begin within the fall. They’re pleasant and I’m having fun with what would be the final time they dwell at dwelling for an prolonged time! My child is a sophomore in faculty finding out engineering at a state college, and lives in school with their roommates. I’ve two senior cats, George and Lucy, who’ve been our household pets for a few years, and provides me a lot enjoyment, particularly with the periodic empty nest I’ve skilled over the previous few years.

Leigh’s Group and Hobbies

Along with my fantastic children and a job I actually love, I really feel fortunate to dwell in a group of fabulous neighbors. We’ve got guide membership, coffees, a neighborhood park, library, strolling trails, and a group of caring folks. Anybody in my circle who wants meals, pet-sitting, or simply basic care will get taken care of by a loving group of neighbors. My cat-sitter lives down the road, I bartered yard work in trade for storing a neighbor’s trailer on my further parking house, I learn over 50 books per yr at no cost courtesy of my library department’s fabulous inter-library mortgage system, and I stroll most days when the climate is sweet and see neighbors out doing the identical. I’m additionally very lucky that two of my sisters dwell close by and we see one another ceaselessly and are a beautiful assist system for each other.

My hobbies are studying, mountain climbing, meditation and yoga, watching nice collection on Netflix, and ingesting espresso and/or wine with mates. I’m grateful to have a wholesome physique and a wholesome group. Colorado has so many hikes and I’m having enjoyable exploring totally different ones! I additionally love thrifting and am extra dedicated than ever to purchasing most issues ethically or second-hand.

One in all my greatest passions is journey to the Dominican Republic. I’ve been going to the identical space for a few years and have developed a love for my mates there and the folks and tradition. I hope to dwell there part-time once I retire, and one in all my objectives for the following 5 years is to purchase both land and construct a house, or purchase a house, and spend a few weeks per yr there with my mates who at the moment are like household.

What feels most urgent proper now? What brings you to submit a Case Examine?

1) Profession:

Leigh’s midlife disaster tattoo, “love”

My profession is fulfilling and I like what I do. I’ve no plans to retire early at this level. I’m at a beautiful diabetes heart with an amazing group and, as a pure helper and educator, I really feel a powerful sense of mission and goal in my work. I’ve all the time been a bilingual (Spanish) educator so I really feel significantly known as to working with our Spanish-speaking shoppers.

Previous to my divorce, I labored three days per week, for a complete of 30 hours. I’ve been lucky to maneuver to full-time work inside my present place; nevertheless, I miss the pliability and additional day without work I loved once I was working 3 ten-hour shifts per week. I moved to full-time to have the ability to afford all my bills, significantly my mortgage, and really feel fortunate to have carried out so over the previous couple of years. Nonetheless, with the current modifications in my mortgage, in addition to potential future downsizing, I’m wondering if I’d return to my lighter work schedule.

If I decreased to 30 hours per week, my wage could be $3,300/month.

2) Downsizing:

My different query, on the whole, has to do with ultimately downsizing. My purpose, because the divorce, has been to maintain the home till each of my children are in their very own locations and graduated from faculty. My mother and father all the time allowed me to maneuver dwelling throughout faculty and I so appreciated this stability throughout a time in my life that was stuffed with change and I hope to proceed to offer this for my younger grownup children. Additionally, I’m very hooked up to my home and my neighborhood. And there aren’t many smaller locations close by. Denver’s housing market is insane proper now, the costs are excessive throughout the board and there’s a really small stock of properties on the market. Persons are typically telling tales of sellers having a number of money presents for effectively above asking worth. Whereas this might be superb for me on the promoting finish, it will be troublesome on the shopping for finish. Moreover, I’d want to remain in my home for at the least one other 2 years, till my child has their BS diploma accomplished. Plus I’m choosy about staying adjoining to my present neighborhood, as that is the place a lot of my shut group is.

My house is estimated to be value $630k-650k. Denver dwelling costs are bananas proper now! I purchased this dwelling in 2007 for $290k. The townhomes I’m concerned with are within the $550k-$600k vary. Additionally bananas. I’m fairly ambivalent about downsizing proper now given the excessive worth of a townhome.

3) The Dominican Republic:

In one in all my most cherished locations, the Dominican Republic, visiting family and friends

Associated to this query is my need to probably purchase or construct a small place within the DR. I believe it is likely to be doable prior to I believe, though I’m a reasonably risk-averse particular person. However a lot of my mates who dwell there are in development, so I believe I may rent a few of them. I additionally marvel about hiring a few of my mates to be caretakers of the house and probably utilizing the house as an AirBnb. I do know nothing about any of this and haven’t carried out a lot analysis–I’m within the “dreaming” stage at this level.

A pricey relative handed away throughout COVID and left me a major inheritance. I’m so appreciative of this unimaginable generosity, and used the present to repay my mortgage. I now have the peace of thoughts of proudly owning my dwelling and never having to fret about paying my mortgage funds! I acknowledge the immense privilege of this case and am grateful for my household.

What’s the very best a part of your present way of life/routine?

  • Working 4 days per week at a job I like and really feel known as to
  • Well being and bodily talents: mountain climbing, yoga, walks, and sustaining my dwelling and yard (with some assist from Activity Rabbit contractors)
  • Youngsters who’re doing effectively and thriving at school and life
  • Associates close by for hangouts deliberate and spontaneous
  • Being accountable for my very own private funds and house. I like a tidy dwelling house and am a homebody at coronary heart
  • Reference to my sisters
  • Yearly journey to the DR (paid for final time with bank card factors)
  • A few yearly smaller journeys to see mates in CA and NM
  • Time to learn

What’s the worst a part of your present way of life/routine?

The place Leigh Needs to be in Ten Years:

1)    Funds:

  • Saving sufficient for retirement
  • Not careworn about each day bills
  • Residing in a smaller dwelling that’s close to my present neighborhood

2)    Way of life:

  • Working at my present job
  • Touring extra typically to the DR
  • Mountaineering and catching up with mates each domestically and in different areas
  • Having fun with my grown children, sisters and prolonged household

3)    Profession:

  • Persevering with to excel in my profession and to have interaction with my sufferers and colleagues

Leigh’s Funds


Merchandise Quantity Notes
Job $4,458 Web take dwelling after deductions for 401K, healthcare, life insurance coverage and incapacity insurance coverage
Little one assist $200 Month-to-month till youngest graduates from faculty, was $400 per 30 days till 2021 when our oldest received their bachelor’s diploma, which was our settlement, our children dwell with me in our household dwelling when they aren’t at school (on breaks, throughout summers)
Month-to-month subtotal: $4,658
Annual complete: $55,896

Mortgage: none, paid off

Money owed: none


Merchandise Quantity Notes Curiosity/sort of securities held/Inventory ticker Title of financial institution/brokerage Expense Ratio
Residence $630,000 Paid off my mortgage in 202. I acknowledge my privilege in that household presents helped me repay the stability of my mortgage, in addition to my excessive success of being a home-owner throughout the loopy market beneficial properties up to now 20 years, significantly the previous 15 years in metro Denver.

My house is estimated to be value $630k-650k. Denver dwelling costs are bananas proper now! I purchased this dwelling in 2007 for $290k.

TIAA-CREF work 401K $165,000 Invested in a focused retirement fund that grows extra conservative the nearer I get to a predicted retirement age of 65 TIAA-CREF
Thrivent retirement account Conventional IRA $140,442 Reasonably aggressive allocation Thrivent
Thrivent retirement account Roth IRA $68,622 Reasonably aggressive allocation Thrivent
Thrivent annuity $94,000 Thrivent deferred variable annuity
Thrivent brokerage account $52,000
Money: emergency fund $25,800 I switch $625 per 30 days into this account. Common financial savings Wells Fargo
Money: checking $4,400
Money: escrow account for insurance coverage and taxes $3,750 I hold this small financial savings account to pay my annual bills of property taxes and insurance coverage since I don’t’ have a mortgage
Whole: $1,184,014


Automobile make, mannequin, yr Valued at Mileage Paid off?
Subaru Outback 2018 $20,800 44,000 Sure! I prefer to joke that that is the requisite automotive for residing in CO, particularly should you prefer to hike or do outdoor issues!


Merchandise Quantity Notes
Taxes and property insurance coverage $750 I’m my very own escrow account!
Groceries $394 Varies: as excessive as $700 when each children dwelling, as little as $250 when simply me on trip for half the month!
Residence utilities: water, sewer, electrical, photo voltaic, compost, trash and recycle $302 water-73, electrical -93 (would possibly go down this yr, photo voltaic was new as of 8/2021, I’m leasing the system), solar-60, trash and recycle 17,(paid yearly, with a reduction)  curbside compost -28 (superior program that permits you to compost all the pieces together with meat, bones, oil, and it’s weekly curbside drop-off and pickup of a bucket! ) , sewer -31
Automotive: fuel, oil modifications, upkeep, registration $252 Gasoline- 95, oil change- 16, registration- 25, repairs 116 (4 new tires and a few brake and differential repairs)
Eating places $230 Decrease when it’s simply me, increased when my children are dwelling and I wish to have fun and deal with them. This additionally contains espresso with mates and dates.
Residence upkeep $228 Fridge substitute, furnace annual service, storage door restore, sprinkler system restore, garden care, dryer vent clear out, biannual garden cleanup (paying somebody to assist with that) and residential provides like followers, lightbulbs, vacuum baggage, cleansing provides, and many others.
Costco $200 Month-to-month stock-up on espresso, cat litter, rest room paper and some different fundamentals
Insurance coverage: auto $175 paid each six months by means of USAA with a prepayment low cost
Charitable Giving $160 To assist mates within the DR, to an immigrant authorized fund by means of my church
Trip $120 A number of journeys to NM to see my faculty child, a staycation with my sisters and cousin, a visit to the DR (lengthy overdue) to see mates. I booked flights with factors.
Presents $103 Christmas, birthdays, a few graduations, so blessed to have the ability to have fun with so many family members this yr!
Miscellaneous $87 Skincare merchandise (I purchase good stuff, I’m actually hooked on skincare), postage, care packages for my faculty children, cat sitter, uber and airport parking, commencement bulletins for my faculty child!
Healthcare (physician and dentist copays) $87 Copays for myself and my two college-aged children who’re insured below my plan, we’re comparatively wholesome and I’m so grateful, we had a few pressing care and one ED copay this yr, contains PT and remedy copays
Pet care $70 Meals, litter, and vet visits for George and Lucy
Healthcare: my contacts and glasses $66 Yearly contact provide, purchased new glasses this yr, plus examination (not low-cost for middle-aged folks)
Therapeutic massage $60 month-to-month
Clothes $52 I purchased a brand new leather-based purse from a sustainable firm, changed my 13-year-old Danskos, purchased a brand new (on clearance) pair of mountain climbing boots, and largely thrift or get hand me downs for all the pieces else (have been shopping for used for years, the thrifting scene is superb right here in CO).
Wine $45 Fancy boxed wine for my nightly glass of crimson
Telephone- two telephones by means of Republic wi-fi $43 Mine and my child’s telephones
Web $40 By means of Century Hyperlink
Pedicure $40 month-to-month
Espresso $40 Espresso out. I drink a variety of espresso. I convey it from dwelling to work a good quantity however actually take pleasure in almond milk lattes within the pm at work.
Tax prep $18 paid a professional to do that for me
Residence décor $15 Largely candles, I’ve a tiny downside
Haircut $15 my haircut, $60 thrice per yr
Subscriptions $9 NYT digital (should do the spelling bee every single day) and Sojourner, I share Hulu with my sister
Month-to-month subtotal: $3,601
Annual complete: $43,212

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Leigh’s Questions For You:

1) Is my timeline of planning to downsize to a smaller dwelling in two years affordable? Or ought to I do it sooner?

  • My present house is estimated to be value $630k-650k. I purchased this home in 2007 for $290k. My mortgage is paid off.
  • The townhomes I’m concerned with are within the $550k-$600k vary.

2) Can I afford my Dominican Republic dream dwelling?

3) Can I afford to chop again to 30 hours per week?

  • If I decreased to 30 hours per week, my take-home pay could be $3,300/month.

Liz Frugalwoods’ Suggestions

I like that Leigh got here to me for a Case Examine at this juncture in her life. She’s carried out an amazing job along with her funds up up to now and I’m assured we might help her chart a sustainable path ahead. I believe the overarching theme for Leigh is that she will do a few of the issues she needs to do, however not all of them, and never all on the identical time. Let’s discover!

Leigh’s Query #1: Is my timeline of planning to downsize to a smaller dwelling in two years affordable? Or ought to I do it sooner?

Leigh’s favourite mug- given as a present by her oldest baby, a motto for all times and motherhood.

It is a robust one. Usually, downsizing saves you cash, however on this case:

  1. Leigh’s home is paid off and represents a major proportion of her internet value.
  2. Smaller properties in her space value nearly precisely the identical quantity as her present dwelling.

Provided that, there’s actually no profit to downsizing.

Usually, the rationale to downsize is to liberate extra of your belongings as you age: you don’t want as a lot home, so that you promote your massive home and purchase a less expensive, smaller dwelling. However in Leigh’s desired space of Denver, she’d primarily get a smaller home for a similar worth, with all of the hassles and bills of promoting, shopping for and transferring. I perceive the will to dwell in a smaller place, but it surely doesn’t look like there’s any monetary upside to doing so. If something, it’d be a monetary detriment.

Nonetheless, if Leigh is ready to discover a smaller place that prices WAY lower than her present dwelling, that might doubtless be an amazing monetary resolution. If, for instance, she needed to promote and transfer to a decrease value of residing space, that might work in her favor. It’s a vendor’s market and it’s exhausting to say what’s going to occur with housing costs sooner or later.

One other concept: if Leigh actually needs to unload her home throughout this sizzling market, she may promote it after which lease a smaller place till she finds an inexpensive smaller dwelling to purchase. Nonetheless, that entails a good quantity of disruption with out a assured pay-off.

Leigh’s Query #2: Can I afford my Dominican Republic dream dwelling?

I don’t know. We don’t have sufficient data to adequately reply this one. It is a nice space for Leigh to dig into analysis!

  1. Summer time entrance porch studying at Leigh’s home

    How a lot are properties within the area she’s concerned with?

  2. Would she qualify for a mortgage within the DR or would she want to purchase a house in all money?
  3. How a lot are taxes and insurance coverage on a house within the DR?
  4. What are the opposite authorized ramifications of proudly owning a property there?
  5. How a lot wouldn’t it value to rent a caretaker to look in on the house whereas she’s in another country?
  6. What are the legal guidelines governing AirBnB leases (referral hyperlink).
  7. How a lot may she lease the property out for?
  8. How a lot is a cleansing service for cleansing the property in between company?

Heaps to discover! If Leigh runs the numbers and is ready to buy a property that might be a cash-flowing funding, that could possibly be an amazing possibility. Nonetheless, she will’t–at current–afford the carrying prices of two properties that don’t generate income.

The opposite consideration is whether or not or not she’d have the ability to lease out her Denver dwelling whereas within the DR? It’s a troublesome monetary proposition to personal two properties and have one standing empty whilst you’re on the different. On the very least, she’d must lease out one–if not each–to remain solvent.

Additionally, if Leigh remains to be working full-time, I’m questioning how a lot time she’d have the ability to spend within the DR? If it’s only a week right here or there, I’m wondering if it wouldn’t be cheaper (and much much less trouble) to lease an AirBnb/resort room for these visits? Residence possession is an enormous expense and trouble, and I wouldn’t enter into it until there’s a compelling cause–monetary or in any other case–to take action. If, then again, she intends to spend portion of the yr within the DR, would possibly it take advantage of sense to promote her costly Denver dwelling and lease whereas she’s within the states? I believe figuring out how a lot time she’ll spend in every area will assist inform her alternative.

I’m a fan of long-term analysis and dreaming, so I believe Leigh could be very good to begin contemplating her choices now.

Leigh’s Query #3: Can I afford to chop again to 30 hours per week?

A gorgeous fall, mountain move hike in Colorado.

This relies on what she decides to do relating to her Denver dwelling and her DR dream dwelling. Once more, it’s a query of with the ability to do some, however not all, of her goals.

Let’s break down the numbers:

  • Leigh’s present month-to-month take-home: $4,458 (I’m omitting the month-to-month baby assist cost since she famous that can finish when her youngest graduates from faculty)
  • Leigh’s present month-to-month spending: $3,601
  • Leigh’s month-to-month take-home if she diminished to 30 hours/week: $3,300

At her present spending degree, a diminished wage would put her at a $300 deficit each month, which isn’t tenable. Nonetheless, if Leigh is concerned with lowering her month-to-month spending within the following discretionary classes, for instance, she’d have the ability to break even on the very least:

  • Eating places: $230
  • Trip: $120
  • Presents: $103
  • Miscellaneous: $87
  • Therapeutic massage: $60
  • Clothes: $52
  • Wine: $45
  • Pedicures: $40
  • Espresso: $40
  • Haircuts: $15
  • Residence Decor: $15

Sightseeing within the Dominican Republic

It’s a query of trade-offs and of what Leigh most needs to do. I’m assured Leigh may make her month-to-month bills work if she chooses to go all the way down to 30 hours per week, partially due to her detailed, rigorous expense monitoring.

The extent of element she supplied reveals that she is certainly monitoring her spending each single month, which is the one technique to create an correct image of your annual spending and the way it fluctuates all year long. Very effectively carried out, Leigh! In the event you’re not monitoring your spending in granular particulars, I take advantage of and advocate the free service from Private Capital (affiliate hyperlink). Right here’s my full write-up on why.

One other key query is whether or not or not Leigh’s employer presents a match on her 401k contributions and if she would nonetheless qualify for that if she diminished to 30 hours?

Let’s spend a while having a look at her belongings.

Leigh’s Property

As I discussed, Leigh’s main asset is her paid-off dwelling, which is valued at $630k-$650k. Setting that apart–since she’s residing in it–Leigh’s belongings complete $554,014 and are damaged down as follows:

1) Retirement: $374,064

Appetizers for dinner

Leigh is on monitor for a standard retirement! Superior work, Leigh! Let’s test in with our retirement rule of thumb:

Intention to save lots of at the least 1x your wage by 30, 3x by 40, 6x by 50, 8x by 60, and 10x by 67 (Constancy).

Since Leigh is 49, we’ll go together with 6x by age 50, which might be [($4,458 x 12) = $53,496] x 6 = $320,976. Perfecto!

Leigh must also go forward and calculate her anticipated month-to-month Social Safety funds by following these directions on retrieve her earnings tables from (the federal government’s Social Safety web site). Figuring out the greenback quantity she will count on to obtain from Social Safety each month is a useful think about her retirement funds. Common observe: Social Safety advantages improve the later you begin taking them.

2) Money: $33,950

Leigh has a sturdy emergency fund right here, which is commendable! An emergency fund is money–held in a checking or financial savings account–that equals three to 6 months’ value of your bills. Leigh spends $3,601 per 30 days, which implies she ought to goal an emergency fund within the vary of  $10,803 (three months’ value) to $21,606 (six months’ value).

My query: why is that this unfold throughout three totally different accounts? If it have been me, I’d consolidate to 1 high-interest account. Leigh famous she’s not incomes any curiosity on this cash, which is a misplaced alternative. Despite the fact that you’re not going to earn hundreds of thousands of {dollars} by means of a high-interest financial savings account, you would possibly as effectively earn one thing. One thing is healthier than nothing! At all times query in case your cash isn’t incomes something! Right here’s the mathematics on that:

If Leigh moved this $33,950 into, for instance, American Specific’ Excessive Yield Financial savings account, which earns 0.65% curiosity as of this writing, in a single yr, her $33,950 would develop to $34,171 (affiliate hyperlink). She’d earn $221 per yr only for having her cash on this excessive curiosity account!

3) Taxable Investments: $52,000

Winter studying with George the fats tabby.

I’m not acquainted with the brokerage Thrivent–the place Leigh’s funding accounts are–so I checked out their web site and I’ve to say, I didn’t like what I noticed:

  1. They power you to name an advisor in an effort to open/view their funding merchandise.
  2. They don’t clearly state their charges or expense ratios.

Each of this stuff point out one factor to me: they’re over-charging for his or her service. Most likely WAY over-charging. Now I is likely to be mistaken, however I’m prepared to wager two corndogs I’m not. Why power a buyer to work by means of an advisor and never share your charges publicly if the charges are low?

Given my infinite curiosity, I googled round and discovered this PDF, which breaks down Thrivent’s charges. I’m owed two corndogs:

For the “reasonably aggressive allocation” (TMAAX) Leigh’s invested in, Thrivent is charging her an eye-watering 1.33% yearly. What does that imply for Leigh?

  • Leigh has a Roth IRA, a Conventional IRA and a taxable funding account by means of Thrivent, which complete: $261,064.
  • Thrivent expenses her 1.33% yearly on that complete quantity AND they charged her 5.50% on her preliminary funding (that is known as a “gross sales cost” or “entrance finish cost”). Sure certainly, some unscrupulous funds skim off a proportion of your preliminary funding while you put your cash into their fund.
  • To calculate what Leigh is dropping in charges, I used this calculator from and enter the next variables:

If Leigh have been to stay invested in these funds for the following 20 years, and the inventory market delivered its annual common 6% return, her investments will stand at $605,339 and she could have misplaced a complete of $231,929 to Thrivent, damaged down as follows:

   $121,781 in alternative prices (in different phrases, what the cash she paid to charges may’ve earned her if invested available in the market)

+ $110,148 in charges (in different phrases, funds to Thrivent)

$231,929 misplaced to Thrivent’s charges

A Colorado bluebird day hike by means of the snow.

That’s some huge cash! Like, A LOT OF MONEY! This is the reason it’s so essential to know the expense ratios and costs in your funding accounts. It’s not a small factor, folks! And whereas 1.33% would possibly sound small, it’s demonstrably not!!!!

I wish to level out that it’s not like Thrivent has some particular sauce they’re sprinkling onto her investments. There is just one inventory market, folks. Thrivent is investing within the identical inventory market that I spend money on, however I do it myself and pay solely 0.015% in charges yearly.

PANIC on the monetary disco!!!!

I wish to be crystal clear about one thing: I’m NOT blaming or shaming Leigh. This isn’t her fault. That is one thing MOST folks don’t perceive and MOST folks overpay and lose cash to excessive charges each single yr. This isn’t one thing she “ought to’ve recognized” or “is doing mistaken.” Reasonably, it’s an amazing wake-up name to do one thing about it ASAP. Like, at this time.

I additionally really feel compelled to share how abhorrent I discover this as a result of Thrivent is a Lutheran firm. They purport they’ve, “…been serving to others dwell extra beneficiant lives whereas guiding them on their monetary path” and that they, “…assist all Christian denominations obtain monetary readability.” In actuality, what they’re doing is charging folks like Leigh out the nostril!

Tacos are the sixth love language, battle me.

To be clear, I’ve no downside with companies making a living. Companies are purported to earn cash! What I’ve an actual downside with is a enterprise that purports to stick to Christian values whereas taking gross benefit of individuals like Leigh. It actually boils my blood. If you wish to cost excessive charges? Be upfront about it. Clarify to folks–in plain English–what you’re charging them and why.

Clarify what you’re doing with Leigh’s $231,929. Clarify why you must take that cash away from her.

I not often rant, however the ethical overtones of Thrivent’s advertising and marketing feels dangerous and disingenuous while you dig into what they’re charging folks. Whew, okay, I’ll attempt to cool off right here.

Questioning discover a fund’s expense ratio? Try the tutorial in this Case Examine.

In STARK distinction to Thrivent, the next three brokerages supply DIY funding choices and are extraordinarily forthright about their charges:

  • Constancy’s Whole Market Index Fund (FSKAX) has an expense ratio of 0.015%
  • Charles Schwab’s Whole Market Index Fund (SWTSX) has an expense ratio of 0.03%
  • Vanguard’s Whole Market Index Fund (VTSAX) has an expense ratio of 0.04%

Do-it-yourself tacos

What you’ll observe with all of those brokerages is that they clearly determine this data on their web sites. Anybody can learn it, perceive it and spend money on it on their very own. They’re pleased with the providers they’re offering, so that they don’t attempt to cloak it behind intelligent advertising and marketing or power you to name an advisor.

Let’s check out the place Leigh’s cash could be if she have been as a substitute invested with a brokerage with an expense ratio of 0.015%:

  • If Leigh have been to stay invested for the following 20 years, and the inventory market delivered its annual common 6% return, her investments would stand at $833,925 and he or she would’ve misplaced a complete of $2,031 in charges with a $1,311 alternative value. That’s an astronomical distinction from Thrivent.

If Leigh stays with Thrivent, she stands to pay them $231,929

If she switches to a brokerage with a 0.015% expense ratio, she’ll pay them a mere $3,342

I believe my recommendation with regard to Thrivent…

Sadly, Leigh’s employer-sponsored 401k is with TIAA-CREF, which can be not recognized for low charges. I can’t discover the charges on Leigh’s 401k with out understanding what it’s invested in at TIAA-CREF, however I urge her to do some digging to seek out that data. If Leigh’s employer presents one other brokerage possibility for her 401k, she ought to examine these charges and examine them to TIAA-CREF’s.

4) Variable Annuity: $94,000

Empty nesting and beginning a tiny plant obsession.

Usually, I’m not a fan of annuities due to the charges they cost. Annuities are primarily a sort of insurance coverage, which implies you’re transferring some quantity of threat to the insurer. I believe the best technique to describe a variable annuity is that it’s invested within the inventory market and you’ll obtain a specified proportion of cash as a pay-out as soon as you might be out of the buildup section and within the annuitization (pay-out) section.

You’re mainly betting that this proportion might be increased than what the market can ship you by itself. For this threat mitigation, you might be paying decently excessive charges to your dealer. I encourage anybody wanting into annuities to learn this web page from the US Securities and Alternate Fee ( Anytime a monetary skilled tries to promote you a product, really feel enfranchised to google it and skim up on it by yourself.

With most annuities, it’s not doable to money them out with out incurring severe penalties. Nonetheless, Leigh ought to go forward and skim the prospectus for her particular variable annuity simply to verify there’s no possibility for cashing this out with out incurring astronomical charges.

Abstract Ideas for Leigh:

  1. Begin researching the method for buying a house within the Dominican Republic:
    • Housing costs.
    • The method/legal guidelines for getting a mortgage, taxes, insurance coverage, and many others.
    • The method/legal guidelines for renting out a property on AirBnb or as a long-term rental (referral hyperlink).
    • The provision of a property supervisor/AirBnb supervisor and cleaners.
    • Take into account how lengthy she’d be spending in every nation and whether or not it will make sense to personal properties in each areas OR if it will be extra tenable to lease in a single location and personal within the different.
  2. Take into account the trade-offs for lowering her work to 30 hours/week:
    • There’s no proper or mistaken: it’s a query of trade-offs.
    • What’s she prepared to eradicate from her month-to-month funds in an effort to dwell on a smaller wage?
    • Is shopping for a house within the DR her #1 precedence? In that case, she’ll must proceed working 40 hours per week in an effort to afford it.
  3. Look into transferring her investments over to a brokerage that gives low-fee funding choices. Do that ASAP as she’s dropping cash every single day to Thrivent’s extreme charges.
  4. Learn the prospectus on her variable annuity from Thrivent simply in case there’s a approach for her to money this out with out incurring charges.
  5. Ask her HR division if there’s an possibility apart from TIAA-CREF for her 401k. Learn up and examine the charges (aka expense ratios).
  6. Discover consolidating her money accounts and transferring them to a high-yield financial savings account in order that she’s incomes curiosity.
  7. Calculate her anticipated Social Safety funds, in order that she has a way of what to anticipate in retirement.
  8. Proceed contributing to her employer-sponsored 401k in order that she stays on monitor for retirement.

Okay Frugalwoods nation, what recommendation do you’ve for Leigh? We’ll each reply to feedback, so please be happy to ask questions!

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